Ready for the next Ice Age? Winter is coming.

FluffyMcDeath said:
Meanwhile the oil and coal companies made billions in profits thus demonstrating that oil and coal are also no go.
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Oil and coal companies produce a valuable commodity that keeps hundreds of millions employed and billions fed.

Al Gore has produced nothing but hot air.
 
redrumloa said:
Oil and coal companies produce a valuable commodity that keeps hundreds of millions employed and billions fed.

Al Gore has produced nothing but hot air.
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Oil and coal have produced quite a bit of hot air too - both in the atmosphere and the blogoshpere.
 
Rocks could hold key to carbon storage and improved global climate projections

The study, to be published April 6 in the journal Science, found that up to 26 percent of the nitrogen in natural ecosystems is sourced from rocks, with the remaining fraction from the atmosphere.

For decades, scientists have recognized that more nitrogen accumulates in soils and plants than can be explained by the atmosphere alone, but they could not pinpoint what was missing.

"this missing nitrogen allows forests and grasslands to sequester more fossil fuel CO2 emissions than previously thought."
 
metalman said:
Rocks could hold key to carbon storage and improved global climate projections

The study, to be published April 6 in the journal Science, found that up to 26 percent of the nitrogen in natural ecosystems is sourced from rocks, with the remaining fraction from the atmosphere.

For decades, scientists have recognized that more nitrogen accumulates in soils and plants than can be explained by the atmosphere alone, but they could not pinpoint what was missing.

"this missing nitrogen allows forests and grasslands to sequester more fossil fuel CO2 emissions than previously thought."
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Interesting and potentially very important results.
For centuries, the prevailing science has indicated that all of the nitrogen on Earth available to plants comes from the atmosphere. But a study from the University of California, Davis, indicates that more than a quarter comes from Earth's bedrock.
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redrumloa said:
Record low, for something they have been observing for roughly 50 years.

PANIC!!!
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No need to panic and, if you think it's all part of the biggest hoax in human history, no need to even accept the results. :banana:
 
redrumloa said:
Record low, for something they have been observing for roughly 50 years.

PANIC!!!
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Well, even just conditions for a 50 year storm (worst storm in 50 years, not a 50 year long storm) should be reason to raise eyebrows. And, by sediment records, it seems like the currents have been degrading for quite some time longer than that. Fluid dynamics show that the significantly higher temperatures for the poles will continue to degrade currents, much like it has degraded the jetstreams. None of this is good news, regardless of what you believe the causes may be.
 
ilwrath said:
Well, even just conditions for a 50 year storm (worst storm in 50 years, not a 50 year long storm) should be reason to raise eyebrows. And, by sediment records, it seems like the currents have been degrading for quite some time longer than that. Fluid dynamics show that the significantly higher temperatures for the poles will continue to degrade currents, much like it has degraded the jetstreams. None of this is good news, regardless of what you believe the causes may be.
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The specific article Robert links to is all about "Global Warming" being the cause and posted in this thread by him to promote the narrative.

No, a potential 50 year storm or similar is not a pleasant idea. They just need to stop pushing the hoax and only deal with real climatology.
 
redrumloa said:
The specific article Robert links to is all about "Global Warming" being the cause and posted in this thread by him to promote the narrative.
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Actually, in this case I was more interested in the cooling effect of the slowdown.
This year has seen a particularly cold spring (we've yet to see anything above 14C) and I knew this had already been linked to the jet stream but only last week was chatting with friends, half-jokingly, about the possibility of the weather being linked to a slowdown of the conveyor. We all agreed (again half-jokingly) if this was to be the new-normal we'd be moving South.

Seeing a report on this study so soon afterwards was a mildly worrying yet simultaneously amusing development.
So I shared it with my pals first, then posted here.

They just need to stop pushing the hoax and only deal with real climatology.
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:lol:
Priceless.
 
redrumloa said:
Record low, for something they have been observing for roughly 50 years.

PANIC!!!
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the Thermometer was only invented in 1754

these alarmists have no concept of geological time

The Gulf of Mexico formed over millions of years as a result of plate tectonics.

 
metalman said:
these alarmists have no concept of geological time
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In 4 billion years we'll all be dead!!

Then again, we don't live on geological time scales, but we have already had significant change in a human lifetime. In a few billion years, who cares what happens. On the other hand, a few days of 50C weather will give you some considerable discomfort ... or make you dead. Some places are already seeing temperatures like that. We don't need more of that no matter what is causing it.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
In 4 billion years we'll all be dead!!

Then again, we don't live on geological time scales, but we have already had significant change in a human lifetime. In a few billion years, who cares what happens. On the other hand, a few days of 50C weather will give you some considerable discomfort ... or make you dead. Some places are already seeing temperatures like that. We don't need more of that no matter what is causing it.
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geological time:
Pleistocene Epoch is the ice age time period that began 2.6 million years ago and ended 11,700 years ago

13000 years ago Vancouver was beneath the Cordilleran ice sheet which covered Western Canada and North Washington State with 4000f thick ice sheet, Missoula Montana was the bottom of a 1000f deep Lake. and the ocean level was 410f lower then today
then the ice began melting, and mega floods carved the Coulees and Scab land features you see today in North Eastern Washington State, in a less than 1000 years

then 11700 years ago, the present Holocene period began with the geological features, ocean level, and temperatures we consider normal in our lifetime

What caused the Ice Age to end so suddenly rather than gradually?
no one knows,
I suspect it was an Ice sheet impact by the breaking up of the Taurid meteor 11700 years ago

I think that living through the Holocene climate change had a huge impact on the development of man, was is the inspiration for flood myths, Inspired the building of Goebleki Tepi, and a Taurid ice age impact is why there is wide spread swastika symbolism among ancient tribes. If you want to discuss this theory more, reply in the Goebleki Tepi thread

We are currently in an Interglacial period which coincide with the three Milankovitch cyclic changes in the earth's orbit

Human CO2 emissions will delay next ice age by 50,000 years, study says
 
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Hurricane Harvey links to Ocean Heat Content and Climate Change Adaptation

Abstract
While hurricanes occur naturally, human‐caused climate change is supercharging them and exacerbating the risk of major damage. Here, using ocean and atmosphere observations, we demonstrate links between increased upper ocean heat content due to global warming with the extreme rainfalls from recent hurricanes. Hurricane Harvey provides an excellent case study as it was isolated in space and time. We show that prior to the beginning of northern summer of 2017, ocean heat content was the highest on record both globally and in the Gulf of Mexico, but the latter sharply decreased with hurricane Harvey via ocean evaporative cooling. The lost ocean heat was realized in the atmosphere as moisture, and then as latent heat in record‐breaking heavy rainfalls. Accordingly, record high ocean heat values not only increased the fuel available to sustain and intensify Harvey, but also increased its flooding rains on land. Harvey could not have produced so much rain without human‐induced climate change. Results have implications for the role of hurricanes in climate. Proactive planning for the consequences of human‐caused climate change is not happening in many vulnerable areas, making the disasters much worse.
 
redrumloa said:
The worst hurricanes on record occurred before the industrial revolution.
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The only thing that non-sequitur demonstrates is that you didn't even read the abstract, let alone the paper.

It's a peer reviewed paper.
It may or may not be a load of nonsense but you don't get to refute it by refusing to address any of the science and instead spouting an irrelevant soundbite.
 
Robert said:
The only thing that non-sequitur demonstrates is that you didn't even read the abstract, let alone the paper.

It's a peer reviewed paper.
It may or may not be a load of nonsense but you don't get to refute it by refusing to address any of the science and instead spouting an irrelevant soundbite.
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The paper is


Hurricane Harvey made landfall north of Corpus Christi, looped north east very slowly, then moved east and back over the gulf where it recharged and gained strength again, because two high-pressure atmospheric masses blocked it from moving north. Then moving at only 3mph, Harvey crept east along the coast until it stalled over Houston, where the Hurricane was both recharging on the gulf side and dumping the water on the land side over Houston, and the storm did not weaken for a unusually long time

Hurricanes always dump lots of water, but when they make landfall they keep moving at 15 -20 mph, break through the existing pressure systems over land, the eyewall then breaks up quickly, and the water is dispersed over a very wide area ( several states )

Harvey dropped so much rain in a small area because it was not strong enough to break through the existing pressure system after it made landfall
 
Robert said:
It's a peer reviewed paper.
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Peer reviewed! LOL! Come on Robert, I hope you don't really believe that. So everyone in the AGW pseudoscience echo chamber agreed. That's like saying "9 out of 10 Flat Earthers agree".
 
metalman said:
The paper is
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Cute. :)
And, of course, you may be correct but nothing you say hereafter demonstrates that.

Hurricane Harvey made landfall north of Corpus Christi, looped north east very slowly, then moved east and back over the gulf where it recharged and gained strength again, because two high-pressure atmospheric masses blocked it from moving north. Then moving at only 3mph, Harvey crept east along the coast until it stalled over Houston, where the Hurricane was both recharging on the gulf side and dumping the water on the land side over Houston, and the storm did not weaken for a unusually long time.
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So, as far as I can tell, the paper agrees with the general gist of this. Here what it says regarding the above (Corpus Christi & Rockport are pretty close to one another):
Harvey developed to the east of the Windward Islands, reaching tropical storm status on 17 August until 1 September 2017 (Fig. 2). It passed over the Caribbean Sea from 17 to 23 August and began to rapidly intensify on 24 August, becoming a hurricane the same day. Moving generally northwest, Harvey further intensified on 25 August to become a major hurricane of Category 4 intensity. Hours later, Harvey made
landfall near Rockport, Texas, at peak intensity. The increase in strength and size meant that even after landfall, its circulation extended well out over the Gulf, where a continual flow of moisture fed and prolonged the storm, long after most storms would have died. [P. Klotzbach (personal communication 2018) found in a study that the median time of Texas landfalling hurricanes before weakening below tropical storm strength is 27 hours.]
Certainly, the track of Harvey was unusual but it was likely governed mostly by the synoptic weather situation.
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Don't see any major conflict between the two descriptions so far that could account for your BS gif

Hurricanes always dump lots of water, but when they make landfall they keep moving at 15 -20 mph, break through the existing pressure systems over land, the eyewall then breaks up quickly, and the water is dispersed over a very wide area ( several states )
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Again, I don't see how this disagrees materially with the paper.

Perhaps you could point to exactly what part of the paper you disagree with?
 
redrumloa said:
Peer reviewed! LOL! Come on Robert, I hope you don't really believe that. So everyone in the AGW pseudoscience echo chamber agreed. That's like saying "9 out of 10 Flat Earthers agree".
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I have a feeling that what you and metalman are objecting to is the use of the term "human-caused" and "human-induced" sprinkled throughout. I suspect that if those terms hadn't been there you could go along with the extra heat in the ocean driving the weather - you'd just be saying that there is no evidence that humans are to blame.
 
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