Taking away the right to vote

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Is it still a democratic process when people with certain opinions are not allowed to vote? Well, that's what is happening in Florida - AGAIN!!

Cecilia mentioned it in this thread but it deserves a thread of its own, I think. As I said it isn't the first time Florida has been disenfranchising voters likely to vote Democrat. In the Bush II race versus Gore, Dubya's brother spent millions of tax payers money giving it to cronies of his whose database companies were used to remove thousands of non-felons who had name similar to felons but who were mostly black and Democrat voting. That story received almost no coverage at all in the US - in fact pretty much exactly no coverage, but it was covered by the BBC (thanks to investigative reporter Greg Palast).

In 2004 Florida was "caging" voters in Democrat leaning districts - Palast again.

Once again the Republicans (or the bunch of crooks who like to call themselves that) are fixing the vote by preventing people who would vote against them from getting to vote. This is classic third world political corruption stuff and should be embarrassing but the people who think they win never complain and the people who lose never make the news. People who would be likely to vote Democrat are being struck from the voter rolls and having hurdles put in their way to get back on - people like this.

I'm sure there are people on this site that, upon hearing this, will say that they are starting to like Governor Scott more and more, but those sorts of people don't like democracy, or even a representative republic. Scott takes voter suppression to new extremes.
 

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I completely agree. those people in Fl and other states are NOT Americans. The right to vote is paramount.
 

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Is it still a democratic process when people with certain opinions are not allowed to vote? Well, that's what is happening in Florida - AGAIN!!

Cecilia mentioned it in this thread but it deserves a thread of its own, I think. As I said it isn't the first time Florida has been disenfranchising voters likely to vote Democrat. In the Bush II race versus Gore, Dubya's brother spent millions of tax payers money giving it to cronies of his whose database companies were used to remove thousands of non-felons who had name similar to felons but who were mostly black and Democrat voting. That story received almost no coverage at all in the US - in fact pretty much exactly no coverage, but it was covered by the BBC (thanks to investigative reporter Greg Palast).

In 2004 Florida was "caging" voters in Democrat leaning districts - Palast again.

Once again the Republicans (or the bunch of crooks who like to call themselves that) are fixing the vote by preventing people who would vote against them from getting to vote. This is classic third world political corruption stuff and should be embarrassing but the people who think they win never complain and the people who lose never make the news. People who would be likely to vote Democrat are being struck from the voter rolls and having hurdles put in their way to get back on - people like this.

I'm sure there are people on this site that, upon hearing this, will say that they are starting to like Governor Scott more and more, but those sorts of people don't like democracy, or even a representative republic. Scott takes voter suppression to new extremes.

:lol: Sorry Fluffy, you don't get to vote either in Florida. Try IL instead, they even let their dead vote for decades.
 

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:lol: Sorry Fluffy, you don't get to vote either in Florida. Try IL instead, they even let their dead vote for decades.
You are the perfect illustration of what I just said. So long as the Republicans are cheating you couldn't care less - so you deflect and make light and diffuse. The instant you think that the other guys might be cheating you go ballistic.

I won't be voting in any of your elections so don't worry about that, but you might be. I say that you might be because there's no guarantee that anything you do at the polls matters but you won't care so long as they call the race for your guy - right?
 

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/31/493196/judge-blocks-florida-voter-law/

"BREAKING: Federal Judge Blocks Florida Voter Suppression Law"

In blocking the new law, U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote:

The statute and rule impose a harsh and impractical 48-hour deadline for an organization to deliver applications to a voter registration office and effectively prohibit an organization from mailing applications in. And the statute and rule impose burdensome record-keeping and reporting requirements that serve little if any purpose, thus rendering them unconstitutional even to the extent they do not violate the NVRA. [...]

The plaintiffs will suffer irreparable harm if an injunction is not issued, first because the denial of a right of this magnitude under circumstances like these almost always inflicts irreparable harm, and second because when a plaintiff loses an opportunity to register a voter, the opportunity is gone forever.
the Constitution is not quite dead yet
 

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In typical Socialist form, you think it should be illegal to remove non residents, dead people, illegal aliens, and convicts from the voter rolls, as long as they vote the way you want them to. If they vote the other way then it's culling the riff raff.

You can cry foul all you want; nobody is buying it. (Well, maybe those Democrats that see the hand writing on the wall.) They are grasping for straws and will buy anything.

At this point, nobody trusts Obama's DOJ.
 

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In typical Socialist form, you think it should be illegal to remove non residents, dead people, illegal aliens, and convicts from the voter rolls, as long as they vote the way you want them to.
In typical fascist form you believe that everyone who is accused is automatically guilty and you do not believe that they should be given adequate time to contest that allegation.
In fact you are delighted because it is preventing Democrat voters from getting to the vote and so helps you team to win even if they are less popular. You know you can't win if everyone votes.
 

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look... if the dems really wanted to do something about this they would be telling every swinging richard of voting age about their rights instead of wasting money running a "look what they are doing" campaign.... dollar for dollar, money informing people of their "Florida Voting Rights" would be better spent. if you are removed from the list, and you go to the polls, you have the "RIGHT" in florida to request a provisional ballot. i exercised my right in kansas last time i voted and even tho' i had to go through five (republican) poll workers to do it, i still voted. and it may have counted as the bond issue passed by 1 vote.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/gen-faq.shtml

    1. What happens if someone challenges my eligibility to vote at the polls?
  • If you are challenged on the basis that your legal residential address is not within the precinct, you will still have an opportunity to vote.
  • If you changed your address within the same county and your new address places you in the same precinct, you will be asked to complete an address update change at the polls and then you can vote a regular ballot (assuming you are otherwise eligible).
  • If your new legal residential address falls outside the precinct, you will be directed to the precinct that corresponds to your new address if time permits to go and vote there.
  • If you have moved from one county to the next, you will not be able to make the address change at the polls but you will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot. Provided you are eligible and registered and you voted in the precinct that corresponds to your new address, your provisional ballot will count.
  • If you do not execute the address change or you insist on voting in the precinct, you will allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
  • If you are challenged on any other grounds or your eligibility is questioned, you will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
  • ;)
 

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There you go again, McDeath.

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"In fact you are delighted because it is preventing Democrat voters from getting to the vote"
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You are assuming that only non residents, dead people, illegal aliens, and convicts are Democrats. Whyzzat?
The only one of those that are not in equal numbers with Republicans are the illegal aliens.
You and I, and everyone else know why Democrats are against cleaning up the voter rolls.
 

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There you go again, McDeath.

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"In fact you are delighted because it is preventing Democrat voters from getting to the vote"
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You are assuming that only non residents, dead people, illegal aliens, and convicts are Democrats. Whyzzat?
The only one of those that are not in equal numbers with Republicans are the illegal aliens.
You and I, and everyone else know why Democrats are against cleaning up the voter rolls.

actually i believe that whenever "republicans" clean up the voting rolls, they tend to exclude eligible voters more often than not, history has kind of proven this... watched a florida republican "tackle" the question just this morning and he could barely keep a straight face when it was pointed out that every instance of vote fraud that he cited was, in fact, thwarted...
 

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rlb, I'll bet you didn't know that the Florida counties that are in need of clean up are the ones that are run by Democrats. The counties are the ones that are supposed to do the actual record keeping, and keeping the voting rolls correct. We have had this discussion many times before about voting and the problems in certain counties of Florida. Maybe when Red comes back, he can give details on those counties. He lives right there.
 

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rlb, I'll bet you didn't know that the Florida counties that are in need of clean up are the ones that are run by Democrats. The counties are the ones that are supposed to do the actual record keeping, and keeping the voting rolls correct. We have had this discussion many times before about voting and the problems in certain counties of Florida. Maybe when Red comes back, he can give details on those counties. He lives right there.

honestly it doesn't matter to me who the counties favor, the republican solution is to crack down so extreme that legitimate voters are denied, in spite of methods in place to remedy that after the fact, before the fact, and during. i am a combat veteran and i firmly oppose any methods that deny legitimate voters their right to vote their conscience and/ or preference. i do not long to live in an exclusionary society... i want all eligible voters to vote, and if someone does cast an illegitimate vote at that point they could be charged with a crime.... isnt the republican party all about law and order? illegal voting is already a crime... what about the fact that the only voter fraud revealed so far has been that okeefe douchebag, and he was actually stopped because they "gave him a provisional ballot". and he wasn't charged because he didnt actually vote. i like you fade... don't do this... it's nonsense and we both know it...
 

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actually i believe that whenever "republicans" clean up the voting rolls, they tend to exclude eligible voters more often than not, history has kind of proven this... watched a florida republican "tackle" the question just this morning and he could barely keep a straight face when it was pointed out that every instance of vote fraud that he cited was, in fact, thwarted...

please address this
 

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caught them...

took a little time, but unless they swayed the gore vote it won't matter

Florida voter purge yields criminal probe into 2 noncitizen voters

Two Miami-Dade men caught up in a controversial voter-purge could face criminal charges for possibly casting unlawful ballots in Florida elections, The Miami Herald has learned.
The cases of Neville M. Walters and Ramon Cue add a new layer of political complexity to Florida’s contentious noncitizen voter purge, a focal point in the national debate over fraud and fairness in this year’s presidential election.
On Friday, county elections supervisors showed so little faith in the state-led purge that their state association said they shouldn’t cooperate. The announcement came just hours after the U.S. Justice Department ordered Florida to stop its effort due to two federal voting-rights laws, partly because the purge could disproportionately affect minorities.
Florida Gov. Rick Scott wouldn’t rule out fighting the Justice Department in court. “We want fair elections,” Scott said. “We want people who have the right to vote go out there and vote.”
The cases of Cue and Neville could strengthen his administration’s hand because they suggest there’s a good chance more ineligible voters are on the rolls and could cast ballots unlawfully if they’re not stopped.
They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren’t U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade’s election supervisor says. Since elections records show each voted — Cue once in 1996 and Walters seven times since 2000 — the office forwarded the men’s names to the Miami-Dade state attorney’s office. The two could face third-degree felony charges.
“We are investigating the allegations,” said Ed Griffith, Miami-Dade state attorney’s office spokesman. “First, we need to make sure the data is accurate.”
No easy task. Any large-scale effort to clean voter rolls is beset with false positives and errors due to misspellings and inaccurate addresses in a database of more than 11 million active voters, plus nearly 1 million more classified as inactive voters.

so the many suffer for the mistakes of clowns like okeefe and these guys.... outstanding!! vote america!!!

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...e-into-2-noncitizen-voters.html#storylink=cpy

 

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Ex-Secretary of State Kurt Browning, who resigned this year, told The Associated Press that Scott asked him whether or not non-U.S. citizens were registered and if those people were voting. Browning explained to the governor during a face-to-face meeting last year that people who register and falsely claim they are citizens can be charged with a crime.
“He says to me — well, people lie,” Browning recalled this week. “Yes, people do. But we have always had to err on the side of the voter.”

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...-criminal-probe-into-2-noncitizen-voters.html

in my own personal opinion, and i'll expect a visit from LEO, you may take away an american citizens right to vote when you pry it from my cold, dead hand...
 

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look... if the dems really wanted to do something about this they would be telling every swinging richard of voting age about their rights instead of wasting money running a "look what they are doing" campaign.... dollar for dollar, money informing people of their "Florida Voting Rights" would be better spent. if you are removed from the list, and you go to the polls, you have the "RIGHT" in florida to request a provisional ballot. i exercised my right in kansas last time i voted and even tho' i had to go through five (republican) poll workers to do it, i still voted. and it may have counted as the bond issue passed by 1 vote.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/gen-faq.shtml

    1. What happens if someone challenges my eligibility to vote at the polls?
  • If you are challenged on the basis that your legal residential address is not within the precinct, you will still have an opportunity to vote.
  • If you changed your address within the same county and your new address places you in the same precinct, you will be asked to complete an address update change at the polls and then you can vote a regular ballot (assuming you are otherwise eligible).
  • If your new legal residential address falls outside the precinct, you will be directed to the precinct that corresponds to your new address if time permits to go and vote there.
  • If you have moved from one county to the next, you will not be able to make the address change at the polls but you will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot. Provided you are eligible and registered and you voted in the precinct that corresponds to your new address, your provisional ballot will count.
  • If you do not execute the address change or you insist on voting in the precinct, you will allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
  • If you are challenged on any other grounds or your eligibility is questioned, you will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
  • ;)

thanks. I'm fortunate that I live in a civilized State so i don't have to worry about anyone in my area preventing ME from voting, but I've passed this info along....
 

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rlb, I'll bet you didn't know that the Florida counties that are in need of clean up are the ones that are run by Democrats.

gee, where is rubmeoffone from? hmmm... same county as he barely won....

Miami-Dade Commissioner Rebeca Sosa
Senator Marco Rubio...



nice!!!!!!! im sure red has complaints.... he sees life as he knows it falling to the non bigots, if i were one i'd be upset too prolly...
 
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