MoveOn backs Bernie

[FluffyMcDeath]

Hillary is sliding. Maybe the FBI is on to something. Or maybe it's just that Bernie speaks more to what the people want.
http://front.moveon.org/
MoveOn backs Bernie Sanders.

 

[Wayne]

At this point, any hypothetical numbers are all about the respective caucuses. The reason Bernie is "gaining" heading into Iowa (and the reason I'm amazed that Cecilia is a fan) is because the Iowa caucuses are all about the religious crowd, and if anything, Bernie tends to pander to the religious conservatives better than Her Royal Majesty, Queen Benghazi...

All of this, at this point is completely moot, as the numbers will fluctuate wildly between every single caucus event. The only thing we know for certain at this point is that -- excepting the potential of indictment on felony charges -- we've already been told by the media that HRM Queen Benghazi will be the next POTUS...

I would be absolutely flabbergasted to see Bernie get the Democrat nomination. I'd be even more amazed to see HRM get indicted (which should have happened months ago) at this point considering that she's fully protected by the President.

Wayne

 

[cecilia]

Bernie tends to pander to the religious conservatives

?
seriously? I really don't see where that idea came from. First of all, Bernie NEVER "panders" and secondly, NEVER talks about religion. If religious people like Bernie it's probably because he's talking about the problems of the middle class. And that's got ZIP to do about religion.

We have the First Amendment in America. As long as we all support this we won't have problems with religion. Meaning religion is strictly a personal issue and as long as you don't try to use the government to bully others (hello, kim davis) who don't follow YOUR religion, no one gives a rat's butt what YOU do in your home or church/temple/etc.

Bernie believes what I believe in: Live and let Live.
Plus, the purpose of the government is for "WE THE PEOPLE" - making sure we have clean water, energy, roads, libraries, vaccines and so on.
The point is to have regulations which PREVENT corporations from fu*king us over with pollution, unfair practices, and so on

There are "billionaires" who think it's all about "ME ME ME ME ME".

It's not about THEM at all.

It's about keeping things fair so everyone willing to work hard gets to live the life THEY want. So, if religious people like that message it's no wonder they like Bernie. He's the ONLY candidate who is talking about what matters to REAL people.

 

[Robert]

we've already been told by the media that HRM Queen Benghazi will be the next POTUS...

I would be absolutely flabbergasted to see Bernie get the Democrat nomination.

Agreed on both points.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Bernie - better than the rest.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Bernie throws down the gauntlet on speaking fees.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/700528013746655232

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fox says that Bernie has pulled ahead of Hillary among primary voters. The Bern is out front by 3%.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

SALON says - only Bernie can beat the GOP.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Bernie worries Wall Street.

 

[cecilia]

looks like Bernie is finally getting some press

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Bernie - better than the rest.

I love how he (Bernie Sanders) is so well spoken and so to the point. I like him a LOT more than Obama.

 

[Wayne]

I can only think of it this way.

Under no circumstance will I ever vote for, or aid Hillary "Benghazi" Clinton in getting elected. This includes the idea of simply not voting, or doing a weak-assed write-in vote, both of which only work towards getting her elected.

That leaves me voting for the Republican nominee, no matter who that might be. I hope it's not Trump, but in truth, none of the nominees on either side are worth my vote at this point.

If -- by miracle -- either HRM Benghazi gets indicted, or Bernie somehow pulls the Democratic nomination out of his ass, THEN it will be a lot more difficult for me to choose the random Republican over a rabid Socialist. I understand what all you bleeding hearts will say in defense of socialism, and of Bernie, but as an American in the middle class, I just can't support his ideals which mean I give up my paycheck to support other people who refuse to do their fair share...

If anything, I'm just angry that -- for the 20th year in a row, I find myself in the position where I'm more compelled to vote against someone than for someone...

Wayne

 

[Wayne]

Besides, as we just saw in one of the states, I want to say Iowa (maybe New Hampshire), it doesn't matter if Bernie has an overwhelming landslide of a victory, The DNC still rigs it to give the win to Queen Benghazi...

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

[...] but as an American in the middle class,[...]

Wow! There still is an American in the middle class? Better watch out, they're gonna try to put you in a museum.

 

[Wayne]

It doesn't matter who backs Bernie, even if he wins with OVERWHELMING public vote (as in New Hampshire)... The DNC has already decided that what you want is completely irrelevant.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0617...oss-dem-insiders-boost-clintons-delegate-lead

 

[cecilia]

you really just don't understand that the ONLY person running who is on the side of the middle class is Bernie. I really wish you could understand this, Wayne, because you are allowing the scum to rob you.
all the asshats in the dying gop group are in bed with the very people who think of the middle class as their personal slaves. ALL their ideas - including citizens united - are policies to work you to death and throw you away like used toilet paper.

Only Bernie has been fighting all his life for the very people who make this country great. If you let the bastards win, you will lose...again. and this time, it's the end of The Great Experiment.

trump, cruz, et al are not your friends. They wipe their asses with you.
I'm telling you this because I respect you. And I think you - and the rest of the middle class - deserve better than the shit we have been dealing with. About 60% of the population don't vote. If we can get people off their behinds we can get rid of the bums in congress. It won't happen immediately, but we have to get people interested in their future.

if they don't, there won't BE a future.

 

[Wayne]

@cecilia, I happily accept that you and I have different viewpoints. You're a liberal, I'm a conservative.

What I don't think you get is that no one, not a single choice for President -- no matter who's ultimately elected -- can actually change anything for the better. You can blame the President. You can blame Congress. You can blame voters, or really, anyone you like, but the simple fact is that the system is broken.

The only way Bernie, or anyone else can do anything at all is by executive orders bypassing Congress, and side-stepping the U.S. Constitution. We all see how well that's turned out under King Obama. The only exception to that rule is if Congress and the Presidency are all same party, and that's a horrible thing (historically) for the people of the United States regardless of which party. A unified 2/3s of the government means there are literally, physically, bureaucratically ZERO checks and balances, and that is always (again, historically) when the worst shit for the American citizen gets walked through into law...

So, given that the President can only be a puppet, or a dictator who can't actually do anything without bypassing the U.S. Constitution, I can only fall back to the principles that I choose to support. Bernie's self-appointed Socialism simply goes against everything I believe in, from my core...

I do hope that in the end, it comes down to a Bernie versus Trump fight (it won't, the DNC will never allow Bernie to get the nod). If it does, who I vote for becomes a much harder thing for me. The idea of a Trump Presidency scares the hell out of me, so the question becomes, do I accept the fear (Trump), or do I vote against my conscience (for Bernie)..?

 

[Robert]

I do hope that in the end, it comes down to a Bernie versus Trump fight (it won't, the DNC will never allow Bernie to get the nod).

That's how it looks to me too.

If it does, who I vote for becomes a much harder thing for me. The idea of a Trump Presidency scares the hell out of me, so the question becomes, do I accept the fear (Trump), or do I vote against my conscience (for Bernie)..?

I can't see past Clinton - think she's a shoe-in - but the idea of Trump being the POTUS is so satire-come-to-life that I find myself strangely attracted to it and simultaneously terrified by it. A bit like that feeling you get when you stand near the edge of a cliff.

Horrific as it may prove for the rest of the world, if the US actually elected Trump, I think I probably would have to take a week off work while I tried to stop laughing.

 

[Wayne]

I can't see past Clinton - think she's a shoe-in

When that becomes the case, my choice becomes far easier, though no less regrettable. I won't vote for, support, or by action, assist HRM Queen Benghazi ascend the throne in any way, even if that means voting for Trump...

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

When that becomes the case, my choice becomes far easier, though no less regrettable. I won't vote for, support, or by action, assist HRM Queen Benghazi ascend the throne in any way, even if that means voting for Trump...

I don't get a vote in this, but if it came down to Bernie/Trump I'd go Bernie as he is the one philosophically inclined to directly attack the oligarchs. The down-side is that the oligarchs may just unite against this common enemy (as they already somewhat are as they try to ensure Clinton beats him).
On the other hand if it came down to Clinton/Trump I'd go Trump. He isn't necessarily a philosophical enemy of the oligarchy though he is a black sheep and has never really been accepted as one of the oligarchs which shows in the coverage against him but also, I presume, fills him with a strong desire to "show them all" - and he is more likely to cause in-fighting and mayhem among the oligarchs.
I partly suspect this as he has made positive comments about Putin who is a man that cleaned up Russia considerably, jailing several of the worst oligarchs and causing many others to flee to the UK and Israel where they wouldn't be extradited. Trump also refused to take AIPAC money which might have several US oligarchs planning their own flight to Israel. On the other hand, he is restricted, as a man of money, from attacking anyone or thing that could put a squeeze on his networth - at least, until he becomes president. Presumably he would fill his cabinet with his own friends and associates and lock out most of the worst of the political establishment, not that the trumpites would be necessarily good, but the power polarization and struggle at the top could be distracting enough that it would let more people power groups to infiltrate at the bottom.

Or not as the case may be - but that's how I see it. Cause as much confusion and trouble for the elites as you can so that they are too occupied to rule, and then replace them from the bottom up while they aren't looking.