GOP: Obama is dividing Americans

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    Republicans said Tuesday night that President Barack Obama's "trickle-down government" has held back, rather than speeded up, economic recovery.
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    Because Bush didn't?
    Taking radical positions and yelling a lot isn't uniting anybody either. Politics is all about dividing - and then blaming the other guy for doing it.
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    i think its funny actually... the americans he divided is the republican party...
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    Yes, well, there is that. :) Of course, they aren't helping themselves much. You can't build a coalition of radicals and fanatics - they don't mix.
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    Not really, Obama has encouraged discrimination against white people.
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    He's divided a lot of people outside America too.

    I wanted to like him - no really - but it was fairly obvious well before he was elected that he's as bought and paid for as all his predecessors.
    The only thing he has going for him is that he's not as scarily shouting-at-lamp-posts-mental as the other lot.

    At least one other party is the only hope for US politics.
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    Having white privilege taken away (thus putting you on the same level as non whites) is not the same as discrimination.
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    No, giving non-whites preferential treatment is text book racism. There is no sugar coating it for PC nonsense.
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    Except that they aren't getting preferential treatment.
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    Yes, they are.

    the new guidance states that a school "may consider a student's race as a 'plus factor'
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    well after a century of considering whiteness a plus factor itd seem kinda fair to me to consider some other color a plus factor now
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    Sigh... White privilege, an explanation. A collection of practical examples. And another collection. And if you've the chops for it, some more info on the subject.

    tl;dr: You might have a point if whites and non whites started out from a position of equality, except in cases of abject poverty, this is simply not the case.
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    We are living in 2012, not 1895 or even 1955. Blacks and other "minorities" are represented in all levels of business and government. So called white privilege is a joke. Of course, it is a joke that PC pop culture keeps putting forward. You have to also consider what you see on your side of the pond is nothing like this side of the pond. In Florida we have areas like the City of Miami, which is 70% Hispanic. Will the University of Miami give Caucasians preference because they are a minority? Of course not.
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    You didn't bother reading the links I see.

    Welp, that pretty much ends this thread for me, I've no intention of battling your wilful ignorance.
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    Directly from the list of questions from the McIntosh article... Many, if not most of those issues were put to bed a generation ago. So, really, why not base assistance on poverty, or some other (lack of) opportunity basis, rather than color?

    Myself, having a middle-class family, it's quite clear a black kid from a broke family in inner city Detroit needs assistance more than my son does. The inner city has terrible schools, a toxic and dangerous environment, and very limited, if not outright lack of positive role models. But, by the same token, it's also quite clear my son needs assistance more than Barak Obama's upper-echelon children do. Compared to hobnobbing with the bank executives and upper 0.001% families, we're complete peons. Why are we picking assistance by ethnicity instead of the real 21st Century factors? (Money, School, Community, Connections) I really think if we base on NEED, the color disparity would start to balance itself. The less you make color an issue, the more it fades away.
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    Really, because the percentages of blacks (and one would imagine Latinos and other major groups) in jails would rather imply that there are still humongous issues of racial inequality.

    Whilst there is merit to this on its face, as it stands a non white person is less likely to make it than a white person is. Seeing as you appear to have read some or all of the articles (thank you for taking the time to do so), I'll simply ask you this, when was the last time someone was pulled over and arrested for driving whilst white?

    When I talk of white privilege I talk about not having to wonder if someone is treating me the way they are because of the colour of my skin, its true that the USA has made truly gargantuan strides in racial equality and every person in the US should feel rightly proud, its the subtle (and not so) undercurrents that we mostly as whites aren't aware of because it simply never hits us that we still have to deal with, this is our privilege.

    A good friend of mine loves symphonic and Gothic metal groups like within temptation and Evanescence a lot. He would love nothing more than to see them live, but when the opportunity came up early this year, he turned and asked me if it would be safe for him to go, I asked him why wouldn't it? He had to remind me he's half Pakistani and as such it was a genuine concern.

    Privilege is not having to worry about things like that or even have it cross your mind.
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    Again, as a non-American you really have no clue. I know profiling all too well and I used to be pulled over repeatedly due to my appearance.
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    Certainly you have a point here. But it's really all about the community. The broken communities generate these problems, regardless of race. Many predominately black and Latino have these issues, hence they're over-represented in the jails. Now, if you wanted to say some of the problems in those communities are caused by whites.... I wouldn't disagree. But that's a separate issue to what we're discussing here.

    Well, I wasn't arrested, but I was pulled over for DWW two years ago. I do manufacturing IT, and I was driving to a largely unused plant in a pretty rough neighborhood. Apparently, the adjoining building had been taken by drug squatters, and as a white guy in the area, I was stopped and questioned why I was driving by there. For my trouble I got a ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign that wasn't there (fortunately, I found an honest clerk who found out the sign was reported missing two years earlier, but no one had bothered to put a new one up).

    DWB is a problem, though. I know several of my co-workers have had to appeal baseless tickets. A lot is because of quotas, I think.

    I think the thing that most stirs these currents (besides the outright bigots who need to be dealt with) is the very subtle discrimination. And, I think that includes things like Affirmative Action and racial "bonuses." When you say blacks or Latinos need assistance... Aren't you really saying they're not as good as us? Isn't that discrimination? I understand why Affirmative Action was needed. It served an amazingly important role in getting change started within a broken system. But, today, you could easily argue that it causes more racism than it cures. It's that subtle poke.... You're not as good as us.

    Yup... That's really unfortunate. I worked with a few Iraqis. Let me tell you... They were none-to-quick to mention their heritage. And that's a shame.

    Well, as a white guy, let me tell ya, it crosses my mind, as well. I don't exactly feel safe in a lot of the areas I go to, either. (See above example) I danced a jig when we finally closed that plant for good.
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    Err, nope, don't think I am actually. What I'm saying is that they cop more flack as a result of their appearance. This is to try to offset that.

    If you are actually going to imply that the system isn't still fundamentally broken I will mock you mercilessly.

    Only if you're a complete cretin.

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