GMO FOODS AND THE DAMAGE TO HUMAN BABIES, PLACENTAS & UMBILICAL CORDS

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  1. redrumloa Super Moderator

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    This post is for those who are ready to understand....

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    monsanto makes poison.... they get a pass...

    this guy gets raided

    Federal agents watched the home closely for a year, gathering evidence. Then, in a pre-dawn raid, armed members from three agencies swooped in.
    No, this is not a retelling of the lightning U.S. commando attack in Abbottabad, Pakistan, that killed terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. Rather, the target of the raid late last month by U.S. marshals, a state police trooper and inspectors from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was Amish farmer Dan Allgyer of Kinzers, Pa. His so-called “crime” involved nothing more than providing unpasteurized, or raw, dairy milk to eager consumers here in the Washington area.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/13/mopping-up-the-raw-milk-mob/?page=all#pagebreak
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    You are the new guy here, so you missed this the first time around ;)
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    Current law disallows shipment of unpasteurized milk across state lines. Dan clearly broke the law.

    Now if the law is fair or not is another conversation point. Unpasteurized milk has a shorter shelf life and higher harmful bacteria count than non-pasteurized milk.
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    There are tons of laws that go unenforced, even when billions or trillons of dollars are stolen. What laws get enforced? Ones that limit personal freedoms of the masses. Government should not be telling us what food we may eat.
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    they always have...

    "Even if consumers were unaware of the risk involved in consuming a raw agricultural product like raw milk or raw beef, FDA and USDA guidelines, along with many state and local health codes, typically require warnings about the potential dangers of consuming raw or undercooked foods. Where a warning will suffice, a ban is inappropriate. The FDA’s extraordinary message when it comes to raw milk, though, is that the American people are too dim to read the very labels the agency requires."
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    Was he shipping it across state lines? From the article, he was selling it to locals. But this is from a government that is in every part of your home, including your bedroom, for many decades now.
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    I encourage you to go read Red's post where it says someone from PA was selling to the Washington area, which is in Virginia.
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    Good question. Though I'd like to note just because some laws may not be enforced as much as you like, doesn't mean we should instead enforce none.

    In this particular case they government didn't tell anyone what they can eat. What they did is tell one seller that the product they wish to sell across state lines is illegal to do so.

    And I disagree that the government should have no say in what we eat. The government has had this role since our founding. Early on it was the States. In the early 20th century the Federal government, especially when interstate sales became more common. The easy examples are regulating to ensure unadulterated foods (eg no lead chips in your daughter's food) and honesty in the marketplace (eg is that strawberry jelly real strawberries or just a chemical soup from a lab.) I would agree in some cases it's likely the gov. has gone to far. Having no regulation whatsoever is an overtly stupid idea.
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    My bad.
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    It's pseudo science alarmism, at best
    The cause and effect is pure conjecture, and highly unlikely

    Humans evolved as omnivores, and we discovered cooking with fire, which breakdown foods to make them more easily digested, and makes many more plants (& animals) edible, that are inedible or even poisonous raw

    We even eat chili peppers which evolved capsaicin to target a specific pain receptor in mammals, to repel mammals. Chili peppers evolved to be eaten by birds, who have no sensitivity to capsaicin

    I look forward to more GMO foods becoming available
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    http://abcnews.go.com/International...-central-america-15566219?page=4#.Tzqvc8qZOPU

    In comparison with Nicaragua, where thousands of kidney disease sufferers work for large sugar estates, in El Salvador many of them are independent small farmers. They blame agricultural chemicals and few appear to have significantly changed their work habits in response to the latest research, which has not received significant publicity in El Salvador.
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    Soy, itself, you have to watch out for because even natural soy contains oestrogen mimics that can screw up embryos.
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    "Evidence is accruing that phytoestrogens may have protective action against diverse health disorders, such as prostate, breast, bowel, and other cancers, cardiovascular disease, brain function disorders and osteoporosis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens ..Also it was found that phytoestrogen use has been tested but not found to improve menopause symptoms.
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    Because eating insecticide is substantially the same as eating food, right?

    GMO corn causes organ failure.

    (note: this is not an indictment of GMOs per se, just stupid GMing).
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    Monsanto's 90 day trial is certainly bogus. But this "independent" study may not be much to go on either. You really can't come to any one conclusion until a lot more research is done. Wish it were that easy.
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    The independent study is provocative but we shouldn't even need one. There was NO adequate testing of this new crop and it was merely politically deemed to be the same as regular corn.
    Bt has been used for years as a pesticide, even a "green" one because it is a natural compound. But there is a big difference between spraying it on and having every cell of a plant produce it. Go ahead and wash THAT off.

    So far the industry finds no evidence that Bt is harmful to mammals but the tobacco industry found no evidence that smoking causes cancer and the police always find that they acted appropriately. You can't expect an industry to police itself when there is so much money on the line - and especially when there is so much potential liability on the line.

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