"Situation" in Canada

cecilia · Oct 22, 2014

I just got back home and saw something is going on in Canada - seems like one guard is dead......not sure what's going on but I figured we should have a thread about it to gather info

so far this is what I know:
http://www.alan.com/2014/10/22/multiple-shootings-in-canadian-parliament/

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 22, 2014

cecilia said:
I just got back home and saw something is going on in Canada -

I follow a few cdn politicians and a couple of them were tweeting this from parliament.

Next step will be finding out what liberties we have to give up now to be "safe". Whatever they are, the Conservative party has enough votes to pass them even if the opposition members aren't rattled enough to vote yes.

metalman · Oct 22, 2014

Michael Zehaf Bibeau a/k/a Michael Joseph Hall

Glaucus · Oct 23, 2014

Lots to say, but I'll let Rex Murphy say it for me:

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 23, 2014

Glaucus said:
Lots to say, but I'll let Rex Murphy say it for me:

That's right Rex. Our killers good, their killers bad. Our war memorials are edifices to righteousness and our soldiers are the epitome of virtue.

The thing is that those who take the opposite side see themselves as the righteous soldiers and the slaughters they perpetrate are justified for the greater good. It remains an unshakable human fundament that we can commit the same crimes as our enemies yet see ours as good and theirs as evil simply because of the teams we are on (and the team we believe the other guy is on).

As Harper called the War Memorial, in his speech, "that sacred place that pays tribute to those who gave their lives so that we can live in a free, democratic and safe society." Really? Harper, who's fervour seems to be the dismantling of that freedom and democracy?

Canada will never be intimidated. In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts, and those of our national security agencies, to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe here at home. Just as it will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts to work with our allies around the world and fight against the terrorist organizations who brutalize those in other countries with the hope of bringing their savagery to our shores.

Yup. Redouble the national security efforts. We must make this country safe for Conservatives and the moguls that own them. Could he have been more pleased? He gets to do more of the stuff he's been doing and telling us it's for our own good?

And we will continue to bring our savagery to foreign shores but redoubled so that there will be fewer foreign people capable of bringing it back to us.

Meanwhile Malala is earning her peace prize telling Obama "instead of sending guns, send books. Instead of sending weapons, send teachers." So it was a lucky escape for Harper when gunmen shot up the capital and he got to cancel two events with Malala. Phew. Things could have got real awkward if the Noble Peace Laureate had starting speaking pro-peace stuff to Stephen.

metalman · Oct 23, 2014

FluffyMcDeath said:
Meanwhile Malala is earning her peace prize telling Obama "instead of sending guns, send books. Instead of sending weapons, send teachers." So it was a lucky escape for Harper when gunmen shot up the capital and he got to cancel two events with Malala. Phew. Things could have got real awkward if the Noble Peace Laureate had starting speaking pro-peace stuff to Stephen.

Maybe Malala being there was the reason for the attack.

Michael Zehaf Bibeau spent a couple years in Vancouver, one of your proteges?

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 23, 2014

metalman said:
Maybe Malala being there was the reason for the attack.

Who knows, but like I said, the "terrorists" did Harper a favour by giving him an excuse not to be filmed getting schooled by her.
And if it WAS about Malala then Harper knows how to stand up to "terrorists" by giving them exactly what they want - the cancellation of a Malala event.
And there is still the possibility that someone just doesn't like the government - but let's not talk too loudly about that angle.

Michael Zehaf Bibeau spent a couple years in Vancouver, one of your proteges?

I don't know why it continues to surprise me that you are so cavalier with your dangerous allegations, but it does. Maybe I just have trouble believing, despite repeated examples, that people can be so venal or stupid.

For the record, if you had hoped that through me you could get your degrees of separation down so you could brag about "almost knowing a terrorist", be disappointed for the answer is "No".

metalman · Oct 23, 2014

FluffyMcDeath said:
For the record, if you had hoped that through me you could get your degrees of separation down so you could brag about "almost knowing a terrorist", be disappointed for the answer is "No".

When someone wants a leg up and to put their best foot forward, Vancouver is where they head

Glaucus · Oct 23, 2014

FluffyMcDeath said:
That's right Rex. Our killers good, their killers bad.

I guess you got a point there fluffy, unarmed Canadian reservists on honour duty are notoriously ruthless, right up there with ISIS. What was Rex thinking?

metalman · Oct 23, 2014

Glaucus · Oct 24, 2014

I found this interesting:

Canada's Coverage of the Ottawa Shootings Put American Cable News to Shame

MANSBRIDGE: And so, the situation is, as we say, tense and unclear. And it's on days like this—we keep reminding you of this and it's important—it's on days like this, where a story takes a number of different pathways, a number of changes occur, and often rumors start in a situation like this. We try to keep them out of our coverage, but when they come, sometimes from official sources, like members of Parliament, you tend to give them some credence. But you carefully weigh it with what we're also witnessing. It's clear that the situation is not over. It is clear the police are in an intense standby situation and continue to be on the lookout, and until somebody blows the all-clear on this we will continue to stay on top of it and watch as the events unfold.

Glaucus · Oct 24, 2014

metalman said:

Kevin Vickers: "I have engaged the suspect, he is now deceased".

Now that's a class act if there ever was one.

Glaucus · Oct 24, 2014

FluffyMcDeath said:
I don't know why it continues to surprise me that you are so cavalier with your dangerous allegations, but it does. Maybe I just have trouble believing, despite repeated examples, that people can be so venal or stupid.

For the record, if you had hoped that through me you could get your degrees of separation down so you could brag about "almost knowing a terrorist", be disappointed for the answer is "No".

You may or may not be in direct contact with terrorists, but that's not really important. You certainly help them though even if it is indirectly. Both yesterdays attacker and the one from 2 days earlier were clearly not of sound mental health. They based their beliefs on many of the crazy things people post on the internet, like your outlandish conspiracy theories. The fact is, if one is to fully believe that our governments are conspiring to kill us, then armed revolt makes sense. And crazy people believe crazy ideas and since you help spread crazy ideas you, whether you accept it or not, help make crazy people dangerous. And yes, that makes you dangerous too. So if you find these "allegations" dangerous to you, then good, I'm happy. You deserve it.

And here's a link that might make you even more scared: Report a Threat to National Security.

Have a nice day asshole.

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 24, 2014

Glaucus said:
I guess you got a point there fluffy, unarmed Canadian reservists on honour duty are notoriously ruthless, right up there with ISIS.

He wasn't at that time but our military are trained and paid to be ruthless killers when so ordered. And we build monuments to them. We worship our warriors, ISIS worships theirs.

What was Rex thinking?

I'm not sure he really does.

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 24, 2014

Glaucus said:
The fact is, if one is to fully believe that our governments are conspiring to kill us, then armed revolt makes sense.

So revolts don't make sense unless your government is conspiring to kill you. Well, you've just deligitimized almost every revolt ever (except in Donbas oddly enough where senior members of the coup government were making EXACTLY those threats about the Russian speakers of Donbas).

And here's a link that might make you even more scared: Report a Threat to National Security.

Have a nice day asshole.

And why should I be scared? Are you threatening me?

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 24, 2014

So ... let's see.

Muslim convert who shot dead Canadian soldier is the 'privately-educated son of country's immigration chief, had his passport revoked and has 'links to Syrian terrorist'

Hmmm.

Born in Quebec, recent convert to Islam, passport seized. OK.

He had multiple drug and robbery arrests, and a 2003 weapons charge - oh

He had told a friend the 'devil was after him' and knew a man who is still at large after leaving Canada to join Islamist fighters in Syria - well. So just a regular guy but then ... ISLAM!!!!

Report claims his father fought among anti-Gaddafi rebels in Libya in 2011

So his father was ... a good terrorist?

I'm sorry but I just can't bring myself to panic over this.

Robert · Oct 24, 2014

Glaucus said:
Have a nice day asshole.

Just can't help yourself anymore, can you?

Robert · Oct 24, 2014

The Canadian government intends to speed up proposals to toughen the country’s anti-terror laws in the wake of theattack on parliament in Ottawa, including a measure that would allow “preventative detention”.

FluffyMcDeath · Oct 24, 2014

@Robert

“They need to be much strengthened, and I assure you, Mr Speaker, that work which is already under way will be expedited,” Mr Harper said.

In other words, we've got this wish-list we've been working on and while you are all still shaken from this episode seems to be an excellent time to roll it out for voting.
Preventative detention for people organizing anti-pipeline protests? Hmm? You know, laws are like guns in some ways. You don't have to use them to coerce people, you merely need to have them.

Glaucus · Oct 28, 2014

FluffyMcDeath said:
So revolts don't make sense unless your government is conspiring to kill you. Well, you've just deligitimized almost every revolt ever

I said armed revolt. And by armed revolt I mean willing to kill when necessary. But since you seem to think there's no difference between the two, why don't you explain to us when an armed revolt is perfectly legitimate.

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